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It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me review this. its new, long enough, QPQ not required, but I don't see the fact that it drives on the left anywhere in the article. I used 'Ctrl+F' for left and can only find one mention, and that is not even about the direction.JuniperChill (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Daniel Case:@BlueMoonset:@JuniperChill: For everyone here, this article had to be unpromoted from DYK due to the sourcing coming from Google Maps. After having found a much better source from NCDOT, which this article has a map, I'd like to get approval to see if it now meets the requirements for DYK. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reliability of GM is disputed, according to WP:RSPWP:GOOGLEMAPS. Its neither stated as reliable nor unreliable even after several discussions. But anyway It clearly shows that the I85 switches sides like a diverging diamond interchange without traffic lights. Since I am new to Wikipedia and DYK, I may as well leave it to another person to review/promote this hook. JuniperChill (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [1] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that? — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I started working my way through the article. To be honest, I have no idea how this passed GA; the sourcing is just abyssimal. For example, I'm looking at the first paragraph of "South Carolina to Charlotte". This entire paragraph is cited to map of Cleveland County which doesn't begin to say most of things the paragraph says. "from Cherokee County", as far as I can tell from the map, it's York County. "Most of the Interstate for its first few miles is generally rural in nature and remains four lanes." No clue how the map supports any of that. "which quietly merges onto I-85". Quietly? The map says quietly? "Interstate meets US 74 at a unique weave interchange" Unique? The maps says it's unique? "Both routes also enter Kings Mountain." Looking at the Google map, that does appear to be an accurate statement, but the cited NC DOT map certainly doesn't show it. But, to get to the matter at hand; the (supposedly) left-hand drive sections of I-85 The entire paragraph that contains this statement is cited to https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/State-Mapping/Documents/thumbs/Davidson.pdf, which doesn't even come close to supporing almost anything in that paragraph. "The landscape becomes more rural"??? "I-85 enters a large forest with tree-lined medians"??? This really should have it's GA revoked as a defective review, but I just don't have the energy to file it. RoySmith(talk)20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I have finished editing the article. However, there are some last-minute citations that I need to get from @Bneu2013: in order to add them and see if the article does meet GA criteria. Unfortunately, I'm out of town without my computer until the 17th, and all of the info that I added is stored in it. The only thing I can do is get back on the 17th, head to my computer, and add the citations. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I really am not able to edit the article without my computer. As aforementioned, the information I wrote is in the edit phase, and I need the citations to officially finish it up. Now yes, I can understand if the article gets delisted, but IMO, I don't think it's necessarily fair due to me being unable to edit. If the article is going to get delisted, then I guess I just have to nominate it again after getting back. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi? Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
ALT1: ... that Baubau city has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones? Source: "Benteng Wolio dibangun dengan bahan baku berupa batu karang, pasir, dan kapur. Dalam sistem pengetahuan setempat, bahan perekat material benteng menggunakan putih telur ayam." https://books.google.co.id/books?id=HRHszgEACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=id&redir_esc=y (Page 49)
Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a review but I would oppose the special occasion request. For one thing, the significance of the date is not even stated in the nomination, plus there is no mention of the date in the article. Thus it is not even clear what the significance of July 29 to the subject is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently unable to check for close paraphrasing as Earwig is currently rate limited, so this is only a preliminary review. I can verify that a 5x expansion was completed within seven days of the nomination, and that a QPQ has been provided. I have a slight preference for ALT0, but as Launchballer suggested it will probably need copyediting. Both hooks are cited inline and cited to Indonesian sources; AGF although Google Translate seems to verify the information. A QPQ has been provided. The primary issue with the article right now is that it is in need of a copyedit. The article is inconsistent with its use of quotation marks (some statements use single ones and others use doubles) and there are multiple grammatical errors in the article, mostly missing uses of "the". Asking Launchballer for help in copyediting, but otherwise the article can't run until that is completed. As for the special occasion request, given that the article was nominated outside six weeks, it needed an IAR exemption at WT:DYK, but that did not happen. However, I would oppose such a special occasion request for that date as it is not mentioned anywhere in the article and its significance to the subject is unclear. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who described the Buton Sultanate's political position as "like a shuttlecock"? This should be in the article. Also, ratios show quantities relative to each another and are usually written in the form a:b.--Launchballer16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the ratio part by linking it to the concept instead (again, I was just following the statistical document like I always did, feel free to clarify it to the BPS document directly), for the quotation part I think it's fine to just delete it entirely Nyanardsan (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no qualms with the article; I note you said that you hadn't checked for close paraphrasing as Earwig was currently rate limited, however I can't see any sources that aren't offline or foreign, so I can AGF on them. @Nyanardsan: the hook says 'that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi' article says 'The decision to choose Kendari instead of Baubau was both the result of the city losing a public vote against Kendari 45-27 and of an incident where the city drafted two different budgets produced by two different officials at the same time, creating dualism in the city's bureaucracy.' (emphasis mine). These are not the same thing. If you're alright with the following:
ALT0a: ... that the city of Baubau once filed two different budgets at the same time?
ALT1a: ... that the city of Baubau has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones?
The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR(Please ping on reply)04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... on May 31, Joe Biden presented a three-phase ceasefire proposal that was welcomed by Hamas but opposed by some members of the Israeli cabinet? Source: [7][8]
Issue with hook 2 (and maybe hook 3 as well): The claim may be factually incorrect or misleading. Another reliable source claims that Hamas is not ready to give up its weapons: ""Hamas will not surrender its guns or sign a proposal that asks for that,” Arab mediators said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar told them in a brief message they received Thursday, as two top U.S. officials, including Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, hold talks in the region aimed at jump-starting long-stalled negotiations." Vegan416 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the proposal is not asking for Hamas to give up its guns? In any case, joining two reliably sourced statements to come to a conclusion is WP:SYNTH. Do you have any reliable sources that directly state that Hamas has rejected this proposal? VR(Please ping on reply)04:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is in the first bit of 'Proposals' and is a summary of that section's three subsections. Fine by me, an actual reviewer can adjudicate. Full review needed.--Launchballer14:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. Hook checks out per my comment above. QPQ done. Earwig has no valid complaints. There were a few single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPHs and some content bordering on WP:PROSELINE; due to the age of this nom, I've fixed it myself. Let's roll.--Launchballer09:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why is it relevant that ""article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July""? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it. – What had me concerned is the possibility of the political situation evolving such that the hook no longer reflects current events (per WP:DYKG). However, it does seem that the original proposal is still on the table [11], so that should be solvable by adding a source published more recently.
As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective. – I stand by my original comment, since I feel having three phases alone isn't a particularly unusual aspect of a plan, but I welcome alternative phrasings or opinions. Complex/Rational14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ComplexRational: that's exactly why I chose ALT5. It is a historical fact that simply can't change due to any political developments. Even if the original proposal is no longer on the table, or this entire diplomatic process fails, I think this is still very much an encyclopedic article, for example consider the failed Camp David Summit (see the proposals listed there). As for catchiness, sure we can work on that. Some ideas, all of which are based on historic events that can't be changed:
@Vice regent: The most interesting and workable of these IMO is ALT7, with the small correction of "to the Israel-Hamas War" to "for the Israel–Hamas War".
I'm not as sure about the others. ALT8 might be confusing to some readers since the article later talks about yet-to-be-accepted proposals and could give a false impression that an end to the war is imminent. The idea behind ALT6 is good, though "by stage 2" contradicts the statement that hostages would be released during stage 2 (lead section, second paragraph), and "would envisioned" should be changed to "envision" (grammar, and better to say "the proposal envisions" because the proposal itself is not hypothetical). Complex/Rational21:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' '
For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [12]
American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [13]
Reviewed:
Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Created by Qaqaamba (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough (though I'll admit to doing a double take when DYKcheck told me 'promoted to GA on June 6' when this was created on 15 May). No maintenance templates deserved, no QPQ incurred, no copyright complaints. I fear that the image may divert readers into Tyla's and Gunna's articles, so I won't approve it. As previously suggested, I am proposing ALT4: ... that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place? and will call for a new reviewer.--Launchballer11:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I've nominated the image for deletion. All that means is that this can't become the lead hook; no other issues. Schwede6606:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alessandro57 and CSJJ104: Senina 2008 pp.267–268 does not verify that the branding took place within the Praetoria, and as a translation of a primary source it is not a reliable source for the hook. Meanwhile, Janin 1950 is pushing the limits of WP:RSAGE, so unless it is watertight (could you please supply a quote that supports the hook) I think a new hook might be needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine ✍ 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your supplement of review and your comments, @AirshipJungleman29: , @CSJJ104: ,@Cplakidas:.Unfortunately I find myself since a week in the Poli and I have neither a PC with me(I am writing on a phone :-((() nor Janin (btw, for this article I have been forced to use the 1950 edition because the 1964 revised edition was borrowed by someone else). I agree with Constantine that for this kind of articles one has to rely heavily upon the primary sources, because it is all that we have. Anyway, I added another online secondary source to the text (Abschnitt V.17, unfortunately in German), and I hope that this will solve the problem. Cheers from Istanbul, Alex2006 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been taken captive?
Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
Reviewed:
Created by Davidbena (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
Alt3 (see below) is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. See, for example, Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron:, would it at all help if we added the caveat that, according to Jewish law (Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a), the laws pertaining to a ‘beautiful captive woman’ apply only to the men of Israel, but do not apply to gentile soldiers? In this sense, women are still protected under the laws of the UN against rape and other forms of sexual violence committed by soldiers of the occupying forces (The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 [in Articles 13 to 16]).[1] While unto the men of Israel, the laws bequeathed to them by their forefathers are immutable,[2] without the Sanhedrin, this law would not apply today. And even when it did apply, the concession was made only after the fact that, in warfare, a soldier would have given vent to his passions anyway, whether he was allowed to do so or not, and the Torah wanted the men of Israel to be blameless, therefore, it excused the first act of passion. The conceptual-jurisprudential question that may be asked by students of International law is whether or not these laws pertain only to the inner circle of Jews when it comes to conquest by war, or can we say that these laws apply also to the Gentiles although they do not see themselves related to the Jewish law, as they have no access to it, nor do they have any say in the matter. In reply to this question the answer is, unequivocally, "No, they do not apply to non-Israelite armies". Davidbena (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Gardam, Judith; Charlesworth, Hilary (2000). "Protection of Women in Armed Conflict". Human Rights Quarterly. 22 (1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 157 (note 55). JSTOR4489270.
^Bleich, J. David; Jacobson, Arthur J. (2012). "The Jewish legal tradition". In Mauro Bussani; Ugo Mattei (eds.). The Cambridge Companion to Comparative Law. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139017206.017. Judaism is fundamentally a religion of law, a law that governs every facet of the human condition. Jewish tradition maintains that the Torah – the first five books of the Bible that include the Written Law transmitted by Moses at Mount Sinai as well as the Oral Law accompanying it – contains not merely a set of laws, but also canons of interpretation and principles according to which conflicts among the rules of law may be resolved. Maimonides, the pre-eminent early medieval philosopher and expounder of the Torah, records the doctrine that the Torah will not be altered, either in its entirety or in part, as one of the Thirteen Principles of Faith. The divine nature of the Torah renders it immutable and hence not subject to amendment or modification.
@AirshipJungleman29: Okay, since that makes two people here that hold to that view, I would be willing to change the hook to read as follows:
ALT4: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a religious Jewish soldier to abandon the Kosher dietary laws of the Jewish nation and to eat Terefah (non-Kosher foods) when engaged in warfare and there was Kosher food scarcity?
@AirshipJungleman29:, these are extenuating circumstances. The only other time when Jews can eat non-Kosher foods, including ordinary people that are not soldiers, is when they are faced with famine and if they do not eat the non-Kosher animal they would surely die of starvation. In all commandments a Jew may transgress in order to save his own life, except in three things: 1) to murder someone; 2) to worship idolatry; and 3) to engage in a forbidden sexual act.Davidbena (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, as I said, there are other instances where a Jew is permitted to eat non-Kosher foods, such as when he is faced with a choice between life and death; life if he eats the non-Kosher food, and death from famine if he declines it. I think that we have remedied the problem by simply saying "there is a circumstance," which does NOT exclude all other circumstances. You see, it still works. Am I missing something? As for making the DYK more concise and less wordy, we can do so. I'll work on it. How does this sound? ALT7: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws? ---Davidbena (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any objection to ALT5b. However, since ALT7 still uses "was permissible" which implies it isn't permissible any longer; as far as I can tell from the article, it's still permissible as of the present day, so I don't understand why "was" is in the ALT7 hook. For that matter, the entire phrase "it was permissible for" could be removed entirely and "are allowed" inserted before "to" (which is very similar to ALT5b):
ALT7a: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which Jewish soldiers are allowed to abandon the Kosher dietary laws?
@BlueMoonset:, I have no objection to ALT7a, and the only reason why I worded the former DYK as "was permitted", rather than "is permitted," is because the laws governing a Voluntary war in Israel only pertain to when there is an active Sanhedrin. Since there is no Sanhedrin today, the entire body of laws governing such a war do not apply today. The matter is merely a technical issue.Davidbena (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Davidbena: Not seeing a review on this page, which means this would be the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm taking it. Long enough, new enough. All the facts in ALT5b are also in ALT5, so I could review it, and (if I'm interpreting it correctly) it checks out to "Soldiers taking part in the war effort, in the event of food scarcity, are permitted to eat of animals that have been improperly butchered, and even to feast on the 'necks of swine'". Earwig is nice and quiet and the QPQ has been done. There are an awful lot of WP:CLUMPs in the article, and parts of the prose could be tidied up; as an example, WP:BULLET lists should be one sentence. Ping me when you're done and I'll take another look.--Launchballer15:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, In accordance with your directives, I have reduced the bullets to one sentence, and I have eliminated the clutter, in accordance with the rules of WP:CLUMP. Please feel free to comment if there is anything else that I must do.Davidbena (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much better, although I've just noticed there's quite a lot of stuff in the lead which isn't in the body. Leads should summarise the rest of the article and should not contain new content. I think this should be moved.--Launchballer11:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[15][16]Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
48JCL, even so, that's still not appropriate. The DYK reviewer needs to do their own checking independent of the GA review, and should take nothing for granted by the fact that it achieved GA status or that some other reviewer approved parts of its review. There have been some GAs that ended up being delisted based on significant issues found by the subsequent DYK reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergents of ln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
ALT1: ... that the only known solution to the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick'sHow to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article has tripled in size since LunaEclipse's original approval. This should probably get another review. With the benefit of a few weeks, my preference is ALT6 as closest to the original struck hook.--Launchballer07:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rating this article as a Start seems... pretty low (is it "developing but still quite incomplete"?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of "original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context", given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as "Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation" (second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a not overly emotive... simple descriptive term. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the issue with ALT0b's that is that it's comparable to the so in the actual source: by changing so funny to that hilarious, you're actually changing the degree of humor (yes, I can't believe that I am saying this) to so so funny. New review of the hooks requested, given ltbdl's inactivity on this; other parts of the review have been completed. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
Comment: since this seems to be something of a medical claim, the hook should be attributing correctly (Brown paraphrasing his doctor), if it's run at all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: No, I'm saying that Brown is not quoting his doctor verbatim. I'm also wondering whether we should be implying a broad medical claim based on what someone said their doctor said. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... Barry Burton's clanky-inducing lines—like "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" from the first Resident Evil game were popular enough to be referenced in following games?"
Source: [2][3] About Eurogamer YT source. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29.
Created by Boneless Pizza! (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
^Wilson, Aoife (February 9, 2015). Video: Oh my Cod - An ode to Resident Evil's Barry Burton (Video). Event occurs at 2:26-2:29. Jill Sandwich
Length and history verified. References good for original hook. But for ALT1 (and the Eurogamer one for the original, if you are linking to a page with video use {{cite AV media}} and give us the time when the statement is made in the video instead of making us look through the whole thing. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry for taking so long to get back to you. You need to change the cite in the article to {{cite AV media}} so you can put the time in the cite in the article. If you feel that's too complicated, I would be happy to do it for you. Daniel Case (talk) 02:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no. Source 28 still doesn't have it, you haven't edited the article in three weeks, and the only edit since you wrote that wasn't to that source. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
I'll go over the article again to check for things that I may have missed, but this will have to wait until Thursday, after we have concluded our holiday.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC
Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am relatively new in the DYK area. I'm not sure what more needs to be done here. As far as I can tell, everything is ready.Davidbena (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29:, the author of this article cites from the academic journal "Cathedra" some six times, and the pages cited by him in this journal are pages 83–120. These are broad page numbers, rather than specific page numbers. @PeleYoetz:, is it possible for you to add the specific page number to each cited reference?Davidbena (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
Reviewed:
Created by Dxneo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?
I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
... that Kimboo—created by an IvorianFirst Lady—was the first animated series to both feature a main character of native African descent and air on the U.S. BET network?
Comment: Announced for my old article sandbox back in mid-December 2010, but never acted upon till the time I transitioned to my brand-new AFC queue. By the way, here's hoping WP can extend its coverage on African-produced animation in the years ahead. Stay tuned as I prepare for another DYK submission in a couple of days. Take care!
Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
@Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking. When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk)15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk)19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. Hook fact checks out. Nominator was QPQ-exempt. They have been indefinitely blocked for copyvio issues, though Earwig gives a clean bill of health to the existing sources in page, at least in English. Given the nominator's block, I would like this to be double-checked by someone with Hebrew fluency before approval to see if there is copyvio to the Hebrew-language source in this page. I will manage any changes necessary. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that given the circumstances, a copyvio check of other language sources is essential. Without that, this should not go any further. Schwede6617:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Burke, Jason (11 January 2019). "Why Kabila may be real victor of DRC's contested election". The Guardian. Tshisekedi is the leader of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS), DRC's oldest and largest opposition party. Critics say he is unproven, inexperienced and lacks the charisma of his father. 'His father was a man of the country. The son is very limited,' Valentin Mubake, former secretary-general of Tshisekedi's party told the Guardian last month.
@Vanderwaalforces: Thank you for taking the time to do this review! I will note that I did have to do a QPQ, which I did. You can double check and, if you see no issues, please modify your review to reflect this. Cheers. Yue🌙21:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the electoral victory of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress in 2018 led to the DR Congo's first peaceful transition of power since its independence from Belgium in 1960?
Source: Mwanamilongo, Saleh; Anna, Cara (24 January 2019). "Congo's surprise new leader in 1st peaceful power transfer". AP News. Opposition leader Felix Tshisekedi was sworn in as Congo's president Thursday, marking the country's first peaceful transfer of power since independence from Belgium nearly 60 years ago, and immediately announced plans for the release of all political prisoners.
... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor(talk)23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [19]
Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed. Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps...10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
@Kzyx: Really interesting article! New enough, long enough, QPQ not needed, no image provided, and plagiarism-free (although a large number of quotes are used here). Unfortunately, I don't think the sources here are going to cut it. Almost all of the sources 1000+ years old. I'm not sure I'd trust the monarchy's records to be a reliable independent primary source even if they were from 10 years ago, but uncritically interpreting texts that old is a problem in its own right. Which is probably how we end up claiming in the provided hook that Zhou can predict the future by interpreting dreams, which I would argue is a fairly absurd result on its face. Without substantial secondary contemporary academic coverage, I don't see how this nomination can go forward. I'm honestly not convinced of the article's notability, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This probably isn't the right symbol as nobody appears to have started a proper review as yet. All there is above is a discussion about hooks that may or may not work. Schwede6603:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
Reviewed:
Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@TheNuggeteer: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Can't view the source. I do have an issue with the wording in the hook. Article says he founded Wa Yan with 3,000 pesos, sold it, and then founded Ling Nam (no peso number given). This needs reconciling with the hook fact. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@KunalAggarwal95: I'm not sure it does. The first source is a track listing, the next three are listicles, the next one is an interview, the next three are album reviews, the next two are awards, and only the last one could arguably count as significant coverage of substantial impact. That means you only have one source that meets the requirements spelled out in WP:GNG – you'd need one or two more to meet notability requirements. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm probably the wrong person to ask about this. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of our music articles don't meet WP:N, but I recognize I'm not going to convince people of that, so I just grit my teeth and move on. RoySmith(talk)15:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot to get it done before going out of town for the weekend, but it got to size in the time period.
Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updating you here Bagumba, I should have taken more time to verify this myself before nominating, but I was traveling over July 4. Not an excuse. His website says as collectors ourselves who have sold over $2B in collectibles, which of course won't verify our hook. I can't otherwise find "$2 billion". I will rewrite the article this weekend, culling low quality sources and adding a couple of better ones I've found, and propose a solid hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting article. All parts of the article are cited with no problems with copyright. The stated hook is also mentioned in the article with proper sourcing. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Reverting promotion to prep; the hook is 223 prose characters including its "equivalent" parenthetical, way too far about the 200-character maximum. Vinegarymass911, please propose a shorter hook. The current hook's "from corruption suspects which the court deemed was illegal" has confusing antecedents; it's not the suspects that were illegal, but presumably how they acquired the funds. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset: What about now? I can see the new hook has 189 characters.
ALT: ... that ৳6.5 billion (equivalent to US$150 million in 2023) was collected from corruption suspects by a Bangladeshi government agency which the court deemed was illegal in 2017?
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
The article notes: "Ms Chang does not delve into the Pacific ties that might have made such a man. She does say that, during the gold rush, many Californians shipped their laundry to be cleaned in Hong Kong, at $1 a shirt. If this is true--and it is a staggering proposition, given that the Pacific Mail Steamship Company made just a dozen sailings a year, taking 33 days--then the subject deserves a chapter, not just the briefest of mentions."
not a full review, but the source quoted is doubting the hook fact's accuracy. Could you offer an alternative hook? Rjjiii (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping Cunard, 05:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rjjiii (talk·contribs), I think the hook is fine. Although the source questions the accuracy of the statement, the source verifies that the book makes this statement. Here are sources that verify that people in California during the gold rush era sent their laundry to Hong Kong:
This is not a reliable source as the author is a eugenicist. But I am including it here as it's the earliest source I can find that mentions that California gold miners shipped their laundry to Hong Kong. The book notes: "Apparently eggs from Hong Kong, Canton then were being shipped here with California miners' returned laundry."
The book notes: "When the Gold Rush started, some of the San Franciscans sent their laundry to Honolulu and even to Hong Kong by sailing vessel because there was no one around to do it. By sailing vessel, it required about forty days for a round trip to Honolulu and about sixty days to Hong Kong."
The book notes: "Rich gold miners who didn't have a laundry nearby sent their shirts out to be washed, starched, and ironed-in Hong Kong, China! It cost as much as a dollar a shirt and took two to four months for the shirts to make the round-trip."
The book notes: "In the early days of the Gold Rush, Euroamerican men shipped their soiled laundry to Hong Kong or Honolulu for cleaning, and received it again after two or three months."
The book notes: "As the San Francisco economy boomed with hopeful gold seekers, the city experienced continual labor shortages throughout the 1850s and 1860s. It was cheaper for male miners who refused to wash their own clothes, for example, either to send their dirty laundry on a clipper ship to Hong Kong or Honolulu to be washed or to simply throw it away, than to pay the rates to have their clothes done locally."
The book notes: "I am describing the mid-nineteenth-century genesis of Chinese laundry shops (yi-shan-guan in Chinese) during and after the California Gold Rush. Due to the perception of laundry as women's work and the scarcity of women in California during the Gold Rush era, the local cost for doing laundry was exorbitant. Miners, both white and Chinese, routinely shipped their laundry to Honolulu and even Hong Kong for cleaning and pressing. Even then, the price was high and the process took four months. As Iris Chang describes in The Chinese in America, Chinese entrepreneurs took advantage of this economic opportunity and created local laundry shops."
The book notes: "The perception by most whites that washing was work demeaning to men, together with the absence of women on the Western frontier, made laundry a service in demand. Before the arrival of the Chinese, and with California labor in short supply and hence expensive, dirty laundry was routed to Hong Kong to be washed for $12 a dozen items, and then later to Hawaii for $8 a dozen. But Chinese entrepreneurs in San Francisco saw the potential profits in doing the washing themselves on the West Coast, and prices dropped to $5 a dozen as shipping and handling costs decreased. Soon, local laundries replaced the overseas ones."
This source predates the 2003 book Chinese in America and discusses how laundry was shipped from San Francisco to Hawaii which cost $8 and took six to eight weeks.
The book notes: "But it cost money for the San Franciscans to achieve such stylishness and respectability, for the laundry bills were terrific. In order to have their linen washed, starched and ironed to the right degree of whiteness and rigidity cost them eight dollars per dozen, sometimes even more. The men didn't mind paying from three to five dollars for an order of ham and eggs or a steak, but eight dollars just to scrub and iron some pieces of shirt was an excessive price. So there were grumblings aplenty. And not only that, there was also the annoyance of waiting from six to eight weeks for one's laundry to come back each time one sent it off, for mostly they were shipped to the Hawaiian Islands to be washed. And then the shirts might return with buttons missing or collars separated."
The book notes: "3: Number of months it took prospectors to get their clean clothes back before Wah Lee opened San Francisco's first Chinese laundry in 1851. Prior to that, there were so few laundries that miners sent dirty clothes by ship to Hong Kong, where they were cleaned, pressed, and then shipped back."
The book notes: "By the mid-1800s, some people, mostly white, had managed to get rich in the Gold Rush. ... They often thought of laundry as a "woman's job," and therefore, beneath them. Without many other options, it became pretty common for people to ship their laundry all the way to Hong Kong to be cleaned. This took nearly four months and cost about twelve dollars for a dozen shirts, which is equal to about four hundred dollars today. Still, this was way cheaper than the alternative, to send the clothes back to the East Coast of the United States to be cleaned. Remember, the Transcontinental Rail- road wasn't finished yet, so the laundry would have had to go by boat all the way around the continent or over land on a wagon. Hong Kong was the best option for people with the money to spend on laundry, and so the shipment of clothing back and forth across the Pacific Ocean became another link between the coasts of the United States and China, another lane on the highway connecting Chinese Americans between their two lands. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and closer to San Francisco than to Hong Kong, you will find the islands of Hawai'i. By the mid-1800s, Hawai'i had become a stopover for people and goods as they went back and forth between China and the West Coast of the continental United States. The rich people who had been shipping their laundry to Hong Kong now had a closer, more affordable option. Instead of spending twelve dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Hong Kong, they could spend eight dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Honolulu."
The book notes: "As the gold fever cooled, there was a shift in Chinese business patterns, first from mining to laundries, and then to railway construction. The second was the result of quintessentially Chinese entrepreneurship. The Chinese noticed that people in California were prepared to pay for laundry services, which involved shipping to the East Coast, Honolulu and even Hong Kong, which were all both costly and took time. It was obviously beneficial for customers to pay $5 for a dozen shirts rather than $12, and to receive the shirts in a few days rather than up to four months."
The book notes: "A similar story unfolded on the Pacific coast of the Americas. North American trade with Asia and Australia grew rapidly in the 1860s and 1870s, but failed to live up to that potential in subsequent years. In the first years of the gold rush, prices for goods and labour in California were so high that laundry was famously sent from San Francisco to Hong Kong to be washed. By the end of the 1850s, California had begun shipping wheat, quicksilver, hides, lumber, oats, beans, potatoes and wool across the Pacific to Asia and the Australian"
The book notes: "Most of the men who arrived in California to hunt for gold came alone. Mining was dirty, dusty work, but washing grimy, mud-caked clothes was considered a "woman's job." Some of the more successful single men shipped dirty clothes to Hong Kong and waited months for their return. For the rest, since local Spanish and Native American women charged too high a price, Chinese men filled the void. Within a few years, the Chinese came to dominate the laundry business in San Francisco."
Thanks for the reply. You're right. Rather than doing a review, I'd like to offer an alternative hook. Since multiple university press sources state it as a fact, could we run a hook that also presents it as a historical fact? Like this:
ALT1: ... that The Chinese in America documents how California gold rush prospectors mailed their laundry to Hong Kong for cleaning? "While Chang's book might first appear basic in its history lessons, even the most knowledgeable Asian-American scholar will likely find little-known facts and challenging theories within. Chang tells how gold-rush miners - both Chinese and Caucasian - sent their laundry to Hong Kong for lack of local services, hence opening up a business opportunity for entrepreneurial Chinese to take over the "women's work" that Caucasians would not do. (Hong (2003) CSM.)"
Cited to The Christian Science Monitor in the article. @Cunard: if you're not feeling that, let me know, and I'll strike my suggestion. If you have an improvement, let me know, and I'll review it. Rjjiii (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Since I suggested it, another editor will have to do the proper review. And thanks for your patience with my initial confusion, Rjjiii (talk) 08:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: QPQ coming soon. Willing to take suggestions to improve wording/phrasing. Requesting the Olympic special occasion holding area- she will compete in the qualification round on 28 July.
Created by Riley1012 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 31 past nominations.
I shall give this a review. She then made her international debut at the Gymnova Cup – how do we know that it was her international debut? Please provide a citation for her date of birth (I can see that it's in the Gymternet database; just needs to be cited in the article). Please provide a reference for her place of birth (it's not in citation 1). I've added ALT2, with the fact coming from this source; you'd need to add this to the prose and reference it. New enough, long enough, referencing is fine beyond the points raised before, neutral, Earwig is clean. QPQ has been done. This needs quick processing at your end, Riley1012, as this is supposed to go into Prep 5, and that's already open. Schwede6619:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review. I have added the ALT2 fact and a source for her date and place of birth. I removed the information about the international debut because I couldn't find a supporting source. -Riley1012 (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by PearlyGigs (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123: Some of those phrases are common descriptors that cannot be reworded without misleading readers. I reworded the "May 13" one, but the others are criteria that are very difficult to reword without changing their meaning. SounderBruce19:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [23]
I will not be reviewing this nomination, but isn't covering songs a really common thing for a band to do, especially songs from famous bands? Bremps...12:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Japan News ("His many experiences with injuries prompted an interest in physical care, and he opened a Japanese-style massage parlor using self-taught techniques. It became so popular that it was constantly filled with reservations.")
ALT1: ... that wrestler Gaku Akazawa qualified for the 2024 Summer Olympics after having been unsuccessful in qualifying for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 Olympics? Source: same ("he constantly battled injuries that led to surgery on both shoulders and derailed his bid to make the 2012 London Olympics ... he made the bold decision to venture by himself to Russia to hone his skills in the hotbed of wrestling. But he still came up short in qualifying for the next Olympics ... He was unable to be nationalized in time for the Tokyo Olympics in 2021, but gaining Samoa citizenship in December last year made him eligible for Paris.")
Nomination just barely meets the length requirement and is not well-sourced considering. The year of birth and the first paragraph of the biography section have {{cn}} tags. The article alleges that the subject was attacked twice by police using a source that doesn't mention that, which seems like a pretty serious WP:BLP issue. hinnk (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
For the review calling her short stature an asset for appearing youthful: Alice Eversman (August 12, 1942). "Rigoletto Brings Singers to Water Gate". Washington Evening Star. p. 45.
Comment regarding the article title – MOS:ELLIPSIS says: Generally, use a non-breaking space before an ellipsis, and a regular space after it. The article title does not have a space before the ellipsis and I see no good reason why the space should not be there. Let's clear this up before it goes to the main page; wouldn't want to see this being moved whilst it is on the main page. Schwede6605:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I would assume that MOS:ELLIPSIS is referring to how to write prose, not article titles. I can't find precedent that we conform ellipsis spacing to the MOS in titles. Here are some examples I found:
ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR30147229.
Reviewed:
Created by Aneirinn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
: Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the corrections have been made, I don't see anything that should be holding this up. I find the hypothesis given about his middle name plausible. Dr. David Bryson Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina,[1] was a son of Major David Gillespie.[2][3] I also find it plausible that the writer of that obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Major David named his son after himself, which would have them both having a middle name starting with a 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, Major David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university in the United States. This would also make David Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: article created 6 July and just exceeds minimum length (that given there are no obvious omissions given the subjects relatively recent notability); sources cited are all in French but look to be reliable enough; happy to AGF there is no overly close paraphrasing, nothing feels machine translated to me; hook is reasonably interesting, though might be lost among other "firsts" at this Olympics; hook is cited inline, the source is subscription-only so will need to AGF but it's title appears to confirm it. Two matters to clear up: I've added a citation needed tag to his event type as it's not mentioned elsewhere in the article and a QPQ is awaited - Dumelow (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Anna DeShawn said she fell in love with radio because she could "talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants"? Source: https://chicagoreader.com/city-life/meet-anna-deshawn-of-e3-radio-and-the-qube/ She eventually found her niche when, as a student at Drake University, she landed an internship for the popular radio show Tom Joyner Morning Show. “I realized I could talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants. I thought, ‘This is the life.’ And so I fell in love with radio.”
Reviewed:
Created by CaptainAngus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Comment only. It's interesting that you say that all of their ages are in the public domain. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede6605:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000. It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony. I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that in its centennial year Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?
Source: Craig, john (June 25, 2000). "A century in the family". The Spokesman-Review. Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1 ...able to identify about 10 small grocery chains across the county that have been in business 100 years or more
ALT1: ... that during its over 100 years of business Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) used to have egg and wool bartering, grain milling, and vehicle fueling? Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1 & B5
ALT2: ... that with a full 1955 rebuild and 1985 expansion, Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) had never burned down with the rest of republic? Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B5 They coped with devastating fires- Anderson's is one of the few businesses to never burn down... & ...are located where the tiny wood frame building originally stood. The store was rebuilt in 1955 and expanded and renovated in 1985.
I've added a cn for an unsourced statement. There's a period missing at the end of the same sentence, maybe you got distracted just then?I'm also not a huge fan of any of the hooks, I feel like they could be tightened. For instance, what does have been rebuilt or expanded have to do with burning down? The hook seems to be relating the two. "Over its century plus of business...formerly offered" seems awkward...why does it matter that it was a century of business? Maybe something like 'that the nearly 125-year-old Anderson's Grocery used to offer' or something? I like the ALT0 idea a lot, but is it possible to update? We're basically saying that in 2000 it was blah blah blah. It's now 2024, is it still one of ten? Also "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?" feels awkward, it feels like it should be "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years old or older?" or "at least a century in business" or something. Valereee (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee: I have to work with what sources are out there, hence the hooks that have been provided. We have a RS that discusses the Centennial, we do not have a RS thats keeping a running tally of the store now being 122yo, 123yo, 124. As such i erred on the side of DYK rules requiring sources for everything and noted the Centennial.
The expansion hook is relevant to Republic (like most western towns) almost totally burnt down several times, Andersons got lucky and didnt, but the original building has still been destroyed with the rebuild and the expansion. so yes the hook IS relating the two based on the noted fire history of the West
ALT0a: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) was said to be one of only 10 US small grocery chains still in business after 100 years or more? '100 years or older' just feels awkward
ALT1a: ... that Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) once bartered with customers for eggs and wool and offered grain milling? Vehicle fueling doesn't seem that interesting, Kroger's does it now
ALT2b:... that Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) was rebuilt in 1955, but not because it, unlike most of Republic, Washington, had burned? I get that it's interesting that the building has been rebuilt for a reason other than typical for the area, and that so yes it's related, but we aren't saying that in ALT2. We're just stating two apparently unrelated facts. We need to either make the connection or make it so intriguing that there doesn't seem to be a connection that people's interest is piqued.
@Valereee:@Kevmin: I do like ALT0a or ALT2a best, not a big fan of the other two--ALT2b is just a bit confusing. ALT0a could also be shortened to "...was one of only 10 US small grocery chains over 100 years old".
Also: is the missing apostrophe and uneven capitalization in Andersons Grocery, A family Tradition intentional? Anderson's is missing the apostrophe in a couple of other places in the prose; please make sure one spelling is chosen and stuck with (other than when listed as a historical name) and matches the article title. –TCMemoire13:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apostrophes added to areas where missing, (I've always had a bad habit of skipping them when typing). The title case structuring for "Andersons Grocery, A family Tradition" is purposeful as the store itself uses title case with modified capital A.--Kevmin§15:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be opposed to that in the hook, as the major criticism @Valereee: gave initially revolved around verbosity. The article itself already reflects the source of the Spokesman-Review information as FMI.--Kevmin§23:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't state that a fact is true in wikivoice if the source you're citing isn't willing to do so, it's an exaggeration of the veracity of the information. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
*sigh* This is a pendantic level of quibbling that should not be holding up nominations (and also not a core DYK rule). But since you are holding up the nomination:
ALT0B: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) was said to be one of only 10 US small grocery's over 100 years old?
Sorry to push yet more grammar fixes but "groceries" is misspelled, the order of its adjectives should be flipped, and "X in X" statements should be congruent with number case. Here:
ALT0C: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery(sign pictured) was said to be 1 of only 10 small US groceries over 100 years old?
... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
Source: "Motibai was the first native woman doctor to be trained on parallel lines to native men doctors" [31]..."The first indigenous woman physician to get training alongside male physicians was Moti Bai"[32]
ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[33].
@BeanieFan11: New enough and long enough. Missing QPQ. Hook fact present and verified. No textual issues. Ready to go...once you review another nomination. And thank you for the reminder to work on my big NBC10 Boston rewrite. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that basketball player Marcedes Walker became an Olympian 16 years after her WNBA career ended?
Source: Walker played her only games in the WNBA in 2008 (and was released in-season), as explained in the article (see [34] for example) - she became an Olympian in 2024 [35]
ALT1: ... that 16 years after her WNBA career ended, Marcedes Walker became an Olympian? Source: same
ALT2: ... that Marcedes Walker's impact on the Pittsburgh Panthers women's basketball team was described as "resurrect[ing] the program from the dead"? Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ("Walker is to Pitt women’s basketball what Pete Gonzalez was to Pitt football and Brandin Knight was to Pitt basketball, rare athletes who resurrected their programs from the dead")
Not a full review, but a UW Sugar Bowl media guide being used as a source on a non-routine claim about itself doesn't sound right to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Eilish Cleary's role as Chief Medical Officer of Health in New Brunswick was controversially terminated while studying glyphosate, a herbicide that is widely used in the province's industries?
... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
Source: Ion Butnaru, "Actualitatea culturală bucureșteană. Între proză, film și dramaturgie — Interlocutor Fănuș Neagu", in Informația Bucureștiului, 7 February 1987, p. 5: Lucrez în prezent la două piese: „Casa de la miezul nopții", pentru „Bulandra“, și „Golful de plumb", pentru „Nottara“. Cea dintîi e o poveste de dragoste [...]. Cealaltă e o dramă care mi s-a întipărit in minte în timpul marilor revărsări de ape din deceniul trecut, cînd am trăit cîteva zile și nopți pe acoperișul Fabricii de Conserve Zagna-Vădeni; jur-împrejur pluteau milioane de cutii de conserve. Siretul curgea pe o lățime de 17 kilometri [...]. Eram împreună cu un inginer, cu zece muncitori, care încercau să salveze ce se mai putea salva, precum și cu niște indivizi, aruncați acolo de-o luntre spartă, și cu un lup azvîrlit de ape, care tremura de frica noastră. -- "I am presently working on two plays: 'A Midnight Home' for Bulandra, and 'A Gulf of Lead' for Nottara. The former is a love story [...]. The other is a drama that got stuck in my mind during the great floods of the preceding decade, when for a few days and nights I lived on the roof of Zagna-Vădeni Cannery; millions of cans were floating all around. The Siret had widened to 17 kilometers [...]. There was me, alongside an engineer, and ten workers, who were working on salvaging all that could be salvaged, as well as some fellas that had been thrown there out of a wrecked boat, and a wolf that had been discarded there by the waters, all trembling with fear at the sight of us."
ALT1: ... that Romanian novelist Fănuș Neagu(pictured) once appeared on screen as a heavy-drinking Soviet general—a role which "fit him like a glove, according to the more spiteful of commentators"? Source: Gabriel Dimisianu, "Amintiri cu Fănuș Neagu", in România Literară, Issue 13/2002, pp. 12–13: A doua zi apăru, într-adevăr, Fănuș Neagu [...], o namilă blondă cu alură izbitoare de rusnac. De pe urma acesteia s-a ales, peste ani, cu un rol într-un film de Andrei Blaier, acela al generalului Susaikov, trimisul rușilor în Comisia aliată de control, mare petrecăreț și frecventator asiduu, cum reiese din film, al caselor de plăcere din Crucea de piatră. Fănuș l-a interpretat cu mult aplomb, potrivindu-i-se rolul ca o mănușă, cum au susținut unii comentatori malițioși. -- "On the second day, we were indeed greeted by Fănuș Neagu [...], a blond-haired giant that perfectly resembled a Russki. Thanks to this he would much later be cast by Andrei Blaier in a film role as general Susaikov, a Russian member of the Allied Control Commission, a heavy drinker and, as the film suggests, a habitual client of the Crucea de piatră bordellos. Fănuș stepped into the role with great confidence, since it fit him like a glove, according to the more spiteful of commentators."
Source: Taraborrelli, J. Randy (2021). Grace & steel: Dorothy, Barbara, Laura, and the women of the Bush dynasty (First ed.). New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN978-1-250-24871-8., Robert Coe, Puritan
The full review is to follow, but right now I have a few concerns about the nomination. The first is that, despite being a newly-promoted GA, the lede seems rather short and seems to lack mentions of some of the other parts of the article; I'd suggest beefing it up a little. The second is that the hook is admittedly rather pedestrian as it's not uncommon for religious structures to replace pre-existing ones. The article is a GA and is thus full of suitable material so I'd suggest proposing additional hooks in the meantime. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [36] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Climbing Magazine, "Kelly’s winning race occurred in the semifinal round against teammate Sophia Curcio, who slipped early in the race. Kelly clocked a 7.69 and, since the final race was against Hunt, was automatically awarded the Olympic invitation."
Comment: Nominating this on behalf of an IP editor, who will (as usual) provide the QPQ. ALT0 may seem mundane, but it's not usual for Arab-Israelis to compete for Israel at the Olympics. Neither is it well known that many Israeli citizens are Arabs.
My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semifinals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day.
Dumelow has approved the draft article. Do you also want to do the review, given that you are now familiar with the content?
Hi, thanks for the offer but think it best that someone else review it for DYK, another set of eyes on an article is always valuable - Dumelow (talk) 06:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT0. In the event that the following is preferred, however, I offer it for consideration as ALT1:
... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
John V. A. Fine (jr.), John Van Antwerp Fine. The Late Medieval Balkans A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest. University of Michigan Press. p. 384. ISBN 978-0-4720-8260-5. "...The Angevins retained Durazzo for a time, for in 1379 Joanna's new husband, Robert of Artois, is found issuing to Dubrovnik a charter pertaining to Durazzo. Karlo Thopia, who held the territory both north and south of the city, soon, probably in 1383, regained possession of Durazzo..."
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Improved to Good Article status by Arberian2444 (talk).
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ALT2: ... that Argentine naval officer Barry Melbourne Hussey was known as El Ingles ("the Englishman") by his comrades? Source: "Captain Barry Melbourne Hussey, another fluent English speaker, who was known in the Navy as 'El Ingles'" from: Bound, Graham (1 January 2007). Invasion 1982: The Falkland Islanders' Story. Casemate Publishers. p. 98. ISBN978-1-84415-518-7.
This looks an interesting article in a underrepresented field, worthy of being a DYK.
The article is new enough, having been promoted to GA on the same day as nomination, and long enough, with 669 words of readable prose. It is reliably sourced, free of copy violation and presentable, as confirmed by the GA review.
The hook is interesting and sourced. However, it is long at 190 characters, which is close to the limit for a DYK of 200 characters, with many wikilinks. I suggest reviewing this to make it more pithy and engaging, and seeking to include, at most, three wikilinks, including one to Suleiman of Germiyan.
@Aintabli: Having reviewed one of your other articles for GA, I thought it would be interesting to undertake this DYK. Plesse take a look at my comments above and ping me when you would like me to look again. simongraham (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1 ...that Suleiman of Germiyan allowed the Ottoman annexation of his territory to pay his daughter's dowry?
Source: Königsberg, Wojciech (2023). "Akcja w Café Adria"(PDF). Biblioteka Polska Zbrojna Historia. 1.: Jan Kryst "Alan," a soldier in the Home Army, killed several Germans on May 22, 1943, in a retaliatory action at Warsaw's Café Adria. [...] Following the information provided by "Szyna," a meeting took place between the commander of Kedyw and his deputy and Kryst. The latter, explaining his fatal illness, expressed his readiness to carry out the most fatal mission against the representatives of the occupying forces. A different version on the motivation of "Alan" was indicated by his brother Zenon. He claimed that the illness did not threaten Jan's life, and explained his decision by his intention to take revenge on the Germans, which he had been carrying out since the outbreak of the war. It is possible that the exaggeration of the condition may have been a ploy to obtain permission to carry out a risky mission. [...] He received permission from the command to liquidate Gestapo men at the notorious Café Adria premises, and then, under the protection of two conspirators, was to make a breakaway from the scene of the action. [...] When another performance began on the dance floor, he drew his pistol and opened fire on the people sitting in front of him.
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Created by Marcelus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that entomologist Charles De Geer made all the illustrations for his main, eight-volume work himself (example pictured)? Source: Alsemgeest 2019, p. 354.
ALT1: ... that Charles De Geer was not only an accomplished scientist but also one of the richest men in Sweden? Source: Here (in Swedish)
ALT2: ... that one of the most notable accomplishments by 18th-century scientist Charles De Geer was to bring the importance of insects as pollinators to the attention of the scientific community? Source: Bryk 1952, p. 120. (Not available online)
PeleYoetz, I don't think having the word "Pictured" is needed. The picture is fine, but I would remove the pictured, sicne it is very specific. Personally I like alt1 better, but it is not cited in the article. This is a great article, keep up the good work! 48JCL12:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, 48JCL! I removed mentions of the word "pictured" and also trimmed the image caption. I added the info from alt1 to the article together with the source so it is now cited. Is everything else okay? PeleYoetz (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Holder secured her place at the 2024 Olympics during the International Federation of Sport Climbing (IFSC) African Qualifier in December 2023 [....] When Holder first started training to reach the IFSC African Qualifier, she didn’t realise it was a gateway to the Olympics. She had simply identified a series of competitions, culminating in the IFSC round, that she could use to push herself as an athlete."
ALT1: ... that 2024 Paris OlympianAniya Holder began speed climbing as a safer alternative to bouldering and lead climbing after she broke her knuckles and dislocated her shoulder? Source: https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/sport/other-sport/2024-04-04-mark-etheridge-walls-hold-no-fears-for-young-olympian/"She got into speed climbing in 2021. 'I punched a volume [an extension attached to the climbing wall] and broke all my knuckles,' she says. 'A week after the cast came off I fell from a high boulder and stuck my hand out to avoid hitting my head and ended up dislocating my elbow.' That put her out for five months during which she regained her strength and did rehabilitation work. It was also the end of one part of her climbing career. 'I can’t do the boulder and lead discipline any more, it just hurts too much.' Coach Muller suggested she should try speed climbing."
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Comment: This is my first DYK nomination attempt, but I figure you don't know what it's like until you try! Open to feedback on the hook, I accept it might be a bit wordy.
Created by SunTunnels (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment only: Maybe a bit wordy but absolutely perfect for a hook fact! Stunning to not know that you are in the process of qualifying for the Olympics. Schwede6601:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment only: No pressure, but just a suggestion that this one might work best if it were displayed on or preceding August 5th, as that's the date when Holder will be competing in the women's speed qualification round. SunTunnels (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, you've been around for longest and would know: what do we do with the question marks? Me thinks the second one is superfluous and we'll just nuke it. Schwede6602:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, definitely nuke it. (Indeed, I've done so.) The hook only needs to end with a question mark, and this won't be the first time that said question mark was part of an article name. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that artist Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to illustrate a work by H. Rider Haggard during his lifetime?
Source: Holterhoff, Kate (2023). "Romance fiction, folk tales, and poetry: Amy Sawyer and the Arts and Crafts movement". Nineteenth-century women illustrators and cartoonists. Manchester University Press. https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.3078856 p 201: "This commission is remarkable in the graphic history of Rider Haggard. Well over one thousand unique illustrations were commissioned to accompany the approximately sixty romance fictions Haggard published during his lifetime, but of these only eighteen can be attributed to a woman artist – all by Sawyer for Heart of the World."
This hook is good! I think it would be better if we pointed out how much Haggard (never heard of him!) has been illustrated. Suggest:
ALT1: ... that of over a thousand illustrations created for H. Rider Haggard's works during his lifetime, Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to contribute?
Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182 (This cites the Register of Artists' models source: https://www.modelreg.co.uk/st_Articles2.php)
ALT1: ... that Euan Uglow compared his nude painting Articulation with The Endless Column by Constantin Brâncuși? Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182
... that at age 12, Emily Ausmus participated in an international water polo tournament against players seven years older than her?
Source: NBC Olympics ("She started playing water polo at 8 years old and then the senior team began keeping tabs on her when she was 12 years old competing at the 2018 Pan American Junior Championships. Her teammates and opposing players were up to seven years older than her in that tournament.")
QPQ: - Todo Overall: No huge problems, although the hook says 78 years while the source and the article does not exactly say it. Also waiting for the QPQ. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗12:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ done now. I was thinking that this year number is fine per WP:CALC. What do you think about this? Having a hook with both 1931 and 2009 seems a bit awkward to me and I think it dilutes the interesting-ness. ―Panamitsu(talk)00:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
Maltby with her son Philip Randolph Meyer, home from flight training at Kelly Field, circa 1918.
... that physicist Margaret Eliza Maltby hid the birth of her child and then re-adopted him years later?
Source: In 2014, Autosomal DNA tests indicated that Philip Randolph Meyer was Maltby's natural son. He was born in June 1897, six months after Maltby's sudden resignation from Wellesley College. When Maltby returned to a research position in Germany in 1898, she left her son in the care of a friend who had a nursery. Upon taking up a post at Barnard College in 1901, Maltby reunited with Meyer. (Gill, Raymond (Spring–Summer 2016). "Genetics & Genealogy - Miss Maltby and Her Ward: Using DNA to Investigate a Family Mystery". American Ancestors. 17 (2): 49–52.)
ALT1: ... that in 1895 Margaret Eliza Maltby became the first woman to earn a PhD in physics in Germany? Source: Margaret Maltby earned her PhD in physics in 1895 at the University of Göttingen. [37]
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Comment: Sorry for the probable poor formatting of the source, my first time trying this!
Improved to Good Article status by Physhist (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Crater Lake #2(pictured), on display at the Oregon State Capitol, was painted by Margaret Coe, the 8th great granddaughter of colonist Robert Coe? Source: Oregon Legislature, Robert Coe, Puritan, Olmstead, Henry King (2021). Olmsted genealogy, third-fourth supplement, 1923-28. Hassell Street Press. ISBN1013458974., "Curtis Claire Coe". Statesman Journal. October 29, 1996.
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Comment: I'm partial to Alt1. I'm a historian, so I imagine Alt0 is more interesting to a general audience.
Created by AnotherColonialHistorian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Major General Jarrett Robertson died in the 1993 crash of a Black Hawk helicopter when its fuel control value failed and the aircraft's weight became imbalanced? Source: Moag, Jeffrey (1993-06-24). "Blackhawk Crash Blamed on Failed Fuel Control Valve". Inside the Pentagon. 9 (25). Inside Washington Publishers: 1–2. Retrieved 2024-07-13 – via JSTOR.
@Bremps: I completely agree and am almost certain it is too, but even after searching I haven't actually found a source that says it's his official photo. I didn't want to technically assume it was PD though, so I just went with fair use hoping to later find proof it was government work. I don't think it'd be a good choice for a Main Page photo at this time because there's no definitive answer that it's freely licensed. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Major General Jarrett Robertson died in the 1993 crash of a Black Hawk helicopter when its fuel control value failed and the aircraft's weight became imbalanced? Source: Moag, Jeffrey (1993-06-24). "Blackhawk Crash Blamed on Failed Fuel Control Valve". Inside the Pentagon. 9 (25). Inside Washington Publishers: 1–2. Retrieved 2024-07-13 – via JSTOR.
@Bremps: I completely agree and am almost certain it is too, but even after searching I haven't actually found a source that says it's his official photo. I didn't want to technically assume it was PD though, so I just went with fair use hoping to later find proof it was government work. I don't think it'd be a good choice for a Main Page photo at this time because there's no definitive answer that it's freely licensed. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that professor Lisa M. Corrigan used prison memoirs from prominent black activists to write about how incarceration impacted the development of the black power movement?
Source: "Examining the iconic prison autobiographies of H. Rap Brown, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and Assata Shakur, the author also conducts rhetorical analyses of these extremely popular though understudied accounts of the Black Power movement to introduce the notion of the "Black Power vernacular" as a term for the prison memoirists' rhetorical innovations" - Relevant Books: Prison Power
ALT1: ... that Lisa M. Corrigan had difficulties publishing her black power movement book because white reviewers believed the movement wasn't important to the discourse of the civil rights movement? Source: "The biggest challenge I faced with Prison Power was the resistance from (white) reviewers who were not convinced that the Black Power movement was an important historical intervention into white discourses about citizenship. Reviewers characterized Black Power leaders as “foolish, “self-centered,” “nihilistic” children, thereby performing the kind of white supremacist argumentation that Prison Power exposes and attempts to undermine. My response was always the same: white critics could not understand Black Power as a movement, Black Power activists as interlocutors, or Black Power memoirs as legitimate subjects and objects of rhetorical and political invention because they didn’t see Black people as legible interpreters of white supremacy." - Prison Power: A New Book on the Role of Prisons in Black Liberation Struggles
... that in 1941 Aleister Crowley issued a manifesto of human rights which included the controversial assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide?
Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
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5x expanded by Skyerise (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hi TheNuggeteer and WayKurat. It's promising to see someone want to send a radio station to DYK and they're not me! But the page is ineligible as not a recent creation or expansion, and it's falling quite short in its current state in any event. There are many, many paragraphs with no inline citations. It's frustrating, but understandable, to see this even in a Metro Manila radio station page. The referencing needs to improve before a page like this can come to DYK, even when eligible. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Moain Sadeq led excavations at Tell es-Sakan in the Gaza Strip, the oldest known Egyptian fortification to have been excavated?
Source: "Under the joint direction of P. de Miroschedji ... and M. Sadeq (Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities, Department of Antiquities of Gaza), several soundings were conducted at the site." and "These fortifications are the oldest Egyptian fortifications presently known from excavations." de Miroschedji, Pierre; Sadeq, Moain (2008). "Sakan, Tell es-". The New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy Land. Vol. 5: Supplementary Volume. Israel Exploration Society/Biblical Archaeology Society (BAS). Retrieved 15 July 2024 – via BAS Library.
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Comment: The wording might need some tweaking, but I've got a cold and this is as good as I can manage at the moment!
Created by Richard Nevell (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that a founder of Indianapolis, American frontier physician Isaac Coe(pictured), is credited with saving the town from an 1821 outbreak of malaria?
ALT1: ... that fire behavior during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire(char pictured) was highly unpredictable? Source: Kurtz, M.V. (1941). "History of Colville National Forest History of the Colville National Forest Part II Page II-22 middle paragraph on Dollar mountain fire
Other problems: - Some grammar problems in the lead, the second paragraph of background, both paragraphs of the fire section, and the aftermath section.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: The hook seems a little too long, probably better like: "... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight by hiding under a ledge?" But it's okay if you don't want to apply that. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The shortened version removes that they were surrounded by wildfire flames, and thus makes the hook much more mundaine. In this case the flames were bad enough in the area the men were that everyone outside that area assumed no one could survive them.--Kevmin§16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
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Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section).
The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection.
The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Created by Kravk (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
^Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12. The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
^Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections(PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN9781925261271. The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
^Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN1790-3041. Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134. Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118. The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
Source: [38]“At a time when sexual and reproductive health rights for women are either being overturned or threatened, we are proud that Sierra Leone can once again lead with progressive reforms,” said President Bio, referring to the US supreme court’s decision to overturn the constitutional right to abortion, which has drawn criticism around the world.
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Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Source: Horn-van Nispen, Marie-Louise ten (2004). "Hendrik Wortman". Tijdschrift voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis. 13 (2). Vereniging voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis: 60–68.
ALT1: ... that Hendrik Wortman promoted the use of peat as a construction material? Source: Horn-van Nispen, Marie-Louise ten (2004). "Hendrik Wortman". Tijdschrift voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis. 13 (2). Vereniging voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis: 61.
Source: "Gemaal Wortman" [Wortman Pumping Station]. Flevoland Heritage (in Dutch). Fleurbaaij Kunst & Cultuur. Archived from the original on 25 September 2023. Retrieved 16 July 2024.
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 119 past nominations.
Astronaut training in the Reduced Gravity Walking Simulator. This position meant that a person's legs experienced only one sixth of their weight, which was the equivalent of being on the lunar surface.
... that Apollo astronautswalked on walls(pictured) before walking on the Moon? Source: [39]: "A person lies sideways, supported by slings around their waist and rib cage, which are attached to very long cables connected to a mounting point somewhere above them. Instead of touching the floor, their feet actually touch a wall that is slightly tilted, so it’s not exactly perpendicular to the floor. This gives them a fake “ground” to practice walking, running, and jumping on without feeling the full force of Earth’s gravity."
... that in Liberia, self-induced abortions are performed with herbal remedies known as "rocket-propelled grenade" and "Christmas leaf"?
Source: [40]Half of the midwives reported having encountered some young women who, to provoke an abortion, had inserted intravaginally cassava, chalks and local herbs such as the locally-known as ‘rocket-propelled grenade’. and [41]Teta said a friend helped her obtained a herb, commonly known as 'Christmas leaf'. They boiled it into a tea that she drank.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section above, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began; indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
Note: Articles intended to be held for special occasion dates should be nominated within seven days of creation, start of expansion, or promotion to Good Article status. The nomination should be made at least one week prior to the occasion date, to allow time for reviews and promotions through the prep and queue sets, but not more than six weeks in advance. The proposed occasion must be deemed sufficiently special by reviewers. The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, but requests are not always successful. Discussion clarifying the hold criteria can be found here: Hold criteria; discussion setting the six week limit can be found here: Six week limit.
Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Let me review this. its new, long enough, QPQ not required, 
Actually, its there located just above Interstate_85_in_North_Carolina#Greensboro_to_Durham,its just worded slightly differently so I am giving it the go ahead. JuniperChill (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
I am currently unable to check for close paraphrasing as Earwig is currently rate limited, so this is only a preliminary review. I can verify that a 5x expansion was completed within seven days of the nomination, and that a QPQ has been provided. I have a slight preference for ALT0, but as Launchballer suggested it will probably need copyediting. Both hooks are cited inline and cited to Indonesian sources; AGF although Google Translate seems to verify the information. A QPQ has been provided. The primary issue with the article right now is that it is in need of a copyedit. The article is inconsistent with its use of quotation marks (some statements use single ones and others use doubles) and there are multiple grammatical errors in the article, mostly missing uses of "the". Asking Launchballer for help in copyediting, but otherwise the article can't run until that is completed. As for the special occasion request, given that the article was nominated outside six weeks, it needed an IAR exemption at WT:DYK, but that did not happen. However, I would oppose such a special occasion request for that date as it is not mentioned anywhere in the article and its significance to the subject is unclear. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Under discussion, see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Israel–Palestine hook. Please continue that discussion here. Schwede66 01:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Done - Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 01:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
In any case, article was removed from redirect June 9 and was only nominated ten days later, three days late from the prescribed period. This is not going anywhere. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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